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Ferrari Says V-6s May Be Coming, Manual Transmissions Are Dead

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    Ferrari debuted the 488 Spider (shown above), the folding-hardtop-equipped variant of the new 488 GTB, at the Frankfurt auto show this week. The two new 488 models are emblematic of Ferrari’s changing strategy in the face of increasingly demanding fuel-economy and emissions regulations, as they have a smaller-displacement, twin-turbo V-8 where once there was a shrieking naturally-aspirated engine. At a private media meeting which we attended in the Ferrari booth in Frankfurt, we learned about some of Ferrari’s next big plans. The short answer: Smaller engines are in and manual transmissions are out.

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    Asked by another attending journalist about the possibility of a V-6 engine in a future Ferrari, CEO Amedeo Felisa answered with what amounts to a definite maybe. “What we are doing right now is following a path to reduce emissions,” Felisa said. “For sure, the downsizing of the displacement is one of the ways you can get to that result. [As for] the six-cylinder, will it be beneficial? Probably yes, but I think we have a good path before going to that specific solution.” When asked if such a hypothetical V-6 Ferrari would be a smaller vehicle, Felisa quipped, “Why would you reduce the engine and make a bigger car?” This ostensibly would be the much-rumored sub-488 car, which may resurrect the Dino nameplate.

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    Later, Felisa was asked about the possibility of future manual-transmission models in the Ferrari lineup. The exotic carmaker’s response: “Never say no, but today we’ll say no. We have the fastest [automated] gearbox in the market . . . right now, we are not thinking of a manual gearbox.” CEO Felisa continued: “The last Ferrari with a manual gearbox has been the California. We sold three. Which, by the way, the ones that were bought were a fantastic investment. But the client demand was very minimal.”

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    Finally, on the topic of whether today’s Ferrari buyer enjoys driving, in the purist sense, the same way that a Ferrari owner did 10 or 20 years ago, Felisa opined, “Yes, in the sense that [. . .] when they buy a Ferrari, they’re looking for emotion. If you look at the evolution of the last 15 years, if you compare the 360 with the 488, the car is totally different. And what we have tried to do is not to ask of the customer a higher level of skill in order to drive these cars. It’s incredible the way we are improving the power, [but we're] not asking the drivers to be specialists or professionals. I think this was the big challenge that the engineers had.”

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    I never expected to hear this from Ferrari. But it seems like a very smart move.
     
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    I agree with you. It is a good move on their part.

    What disappointed me in this article was the fact that they are saying manuals are dead. That just breaks my heart. I know they have autos that are much faster but that isn't the point. They are making cars that drive for you. That takes away the drivers experience.

    How do you feel about the whole manual transmissions in sports cars?

    On a different topic, the blue on that Ferrari is amazing. I have been wanting a blue like that on a vehicle for many years.

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    Well, yes. With a manual transmission one feels like they are more in control of RPM etc. It's part of the idea of "sport." Ferrari did mention, though, that their last last manual transmission vehicle only sold three units. Maybe they don't think it's worth the R&D cost to take that risk again. Or maybe they are seeing a shift in what people consider sporty. Maybe we are seeing one of those "times are changing" milestones.
     
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    We are seeing a change. I don't like it. The new transmissions are faster but they are taking a lot of the skill out of driving.

    It just seems odd to look in the window of an exotic car and not see a stick. Maybe I'm still holding on to the past but that is the way I see it.

    The car that sold three was the California. I don't see that as their performance model. I'm not too surprised that it didn't see more manuals.

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    I know exactly what you mean. I used to pride myself on my ability to shift at the right times and do is smoothly. And all the other goodies that the average person didn't know. And with a manual transmission, they could continue to appeal to those buyers.
     
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    I was the same way. I had two guys in my car when I was young. The guy in the front made a comment about how well I drove a standard. The guy in the back looked up and said this is a standard? He said i drove so smooth he was sure it was an auto.

    It isn't for everyone but I think they should try it once.

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    One thing, though, if the automatic shifter is faster than manual, it would wreck (for me) the feeling of superiority that come from manual shifting. And so this becomes like other tech advances, where the fogies are no longer doing it the better way.

    I remember long ago, a lot of people's bubbles were burst when a grand prix racer pointed out that they did not brake with their engines. This was followed by a Road and Track article about how this practice started with sports cars to compensate for their weak brakes, and that grand prix drivers considered it an inferior way to drive. Some of my friends were so upset they didn't want to believe it. OTOH, if you didn't have race car quality brakes, it still made sense to use the engine.
     
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    I'm with you Andrew. I'm a little old school, I like it to be more about the driver. It take store work to plan your shift as well as brake and get set up for a corner.

    Also, even a straight line blast down a road requires you to hit your shifts to get down the road fast. With the new autos you have launch control and so on. You point it straight, press a button it two and step on it.

    I will say that of you were drag racing you still need to have a faster reaction time to win with the auto against the same car. But with the manual you need a good reaction time, control your launch yourself and make your shifts without putting it in the wall.

    Now I'm not saying an auto doesn't require skill but you have less to deal with.

    They talk about the auto being faster. On the street does it matter? You have a speed limit in North America so that doesn't matter. A manual makes you more a part of the whole experience.

    Even on the track the manual seems more enjoyable to me. It is just my preference.
    It seems to me that they are killing the driving experience.

    James‎
     
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