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UFC Champ is nothing more than a chump...

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Diablo, Aug 24, 2012.

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  1. Diablo

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    For anyone who follows...

    UFC 151 was cancelled because the champ, Jon Jones, refused to fight Chael Sonnen when Dan Henderson went down with an injury. A champ is supposed to fight when called upon and show why he is the man.

    This is pathetic and I hope he gets smashed in his next fight.
     
    Diablo, Aug 24, 2012
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    Flexin Admin Staff Member Founding Member Top Event

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    I don't watch much UFC but how soon is the fight? You train hard for to fight someone that fight a certain way, if that fighter can make the fight you you can really change things up weekn advance. Its a bad business move. Jones doesn't seem like the kinda guy that is afraid to fight anyoe so I think this is just him being smart. Iu never heard of Cheal but when your coming you will take anything at times because you don't have a choice. When you are on top things are a little different.

    James
     
    Flexin, Aug 24, 2012
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    Wow,thats stunning! I've missed some of the fights lately so im a little behind,did Jon Jones really refuse to fight Chael? Jones is a good fighter,but that sure isn't the behaviour of a champion.
     
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    Flexin, Aug 24, 2012
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  5. Diablo

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    Jon Jones has taken fights on short notice so he knows how it feels and how to train, but now that he is on top he has become too big for it. His attitude has changed; he went from a nice guy to a dick with a DUI since he became champion. The new fight wasn't going to be for the title so he had no chance of walking away without the belt.

    Chael Sonnen lost to Anderson Silva in July and was willing to step in and fight one of the best in the world with a weeks notice and not think twice about it because he knew it would help save the event. Anderson Silva called Dana White and told him he would step in and fight at 205 against anyone other than Jones if it would save the card. He said he wouldn't fight Jones since he would want time to prepare since it is being billed as a Super Fight of the Century. It is either Silva/GSP or Silva/Jones that is being set up for a mega fight so this makes sense.

    How can a champion and the p4p greatest fighter on Earth be willing to step in when he fought two months ago and is not in perfect fighting shape but a guy who is ready to fight won't take a non-title fight to keep a card alive?
     
    Diablo, Aug 25, 2012
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    Saying he lost to Silva is like saying a guy walked in front of a Mack truck and didn't survive. :) And that and be a lose/lose if your fighting a guy that just had a lose and someone that you should beat. Chael would jump at the chance for the fight. If he loses, he didn't have enough time to prepare and he was a middle weight before and so on. The only down side for Chael is an injury for the most part. Belt or no belt, if you beat Jones your name jumps right up the list as sets you up for some big fights. Lose and fight well and maybe White will throw another fight your way for helping him out.

    The fight has more pros for Chael then it does for Jones.

    As far as Jones doing something for White, as long as he give it everything he has in each and every fight, then there isn't much more anyone can ask from the guy.

    As far as the DUI goes. He isn't the only one in sports doing stupid things. I don't know what some of these guys are thinking. Limos seem expensive but they are not that bad at all. And they are much cheaper then what could happen. And there is also the option of taking a cab or asking someone from your team to be a DD for you.

    James
     
    Flexin, Aug 25, 2012
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    It isn't about pros and cons; it is about being a champion and going out there and showing that you are the champ. Anderson Silva has a lot more to lose than Jones does in this case and he still stepped up and asked for the fight. He didn't get a call from DW, but he reached out to DW first to offer it. He was willing to fight at 205 for the time in like 3 years and didn't care because he knew it would help the UFC.

    He could have sat in his house in Brazil and said nothing but he decided to ask for a fight even though he just fought for the title in July. Jones was already training for a fight and had no chance of losing the belt. He even could have done it at a catch weight or a number of other things.
     
    Diablo, Aug 26, 2012
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    Its not about the UFC. Each fighter has to do what is best for them. Not whats best for White.

    Jones' team decided it wasn't a good idea. Like someone said, he could have said I'm taking it anyway but he didn't. Why does everyone want to point a finger at him? The UFC didn't build a strong enough card to carry on without that fight. That was their mistake. What if Jones got hurt? Can Dan carry the card on his own?

    If it is so easy for them to find replacements then why didn't they grab another fighter when he said no? All the blame can't be just put on Jones.

    And what about the fans that bought tickets? I'm paying to see X fight Y. If you throw in another fighter it might not be as interesting for me. It might not be worth the money to me anymore.

    Someone jumping in for a fight has a paycheck as some additional motivation.

    He was going out there to show why he is the champ for the fight that he signed. Its not a street fight. Its a business. He gives it everything when he steps into the cage. I don't think people can ask much more then that. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

    James
     
    Flexin, Aug 26, 2012
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    UFC champ Jon Jones issues Twitter apology for cancellation of UFC 151

    by MMAjunkie.com Staff on Aug 26, 2012 at 10:00 am ET
    [​IMG]UFC 151 will go down in MMA history as the event that wasn't.

    On Thursday, the UFC canceled the pay-per-view that was booked for this Saturday in Las Vegas after main event title challenger Dan Henderson was forced out with a knee injury and light heavyweight champion Jon Jones turned down a replacement fight against Chael Sonnen.

    Throughout the industry, blame for the scrapping of the card has been extended to virtually everyone involved. But on Saturday, Jones took to Twitter to apologize for his part.

    "(I'm) carrying the cross for my company's decision," Jones stated. "If someone has to take the blame, I will accept full responsibility for the way UFC 151 was canceled. I want to sincerely apologize to all the other athletes/fans who's (sic) time and money was waisted (sic). I feel terrible about the way that was handled."

    The comments were the champion's first to the mass media about the incident. Late Thursday night, Jones spoke to MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) about everything that went down surrounding UFC 151 in the aftermath of Henderson's injury.

    "The criticism does bother me, but I have to stand by my decision," Jones told MMAjunkie.com. "I have to be the man that I am. With such large audiences comes great criticism. There will be a lot of scrutiny, but I've got to do what makes me happy and feels right to me. At the end of the day, I have to make the best choice for me and my family."

    Read the rest of the story here http://mmajunkie.com/news/30380/ufc...itter-apology-for-cancellation-of-ufc-151.mma

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    How is it best for him to not take a fight but Anderson Silva was going to step in and fight to save the card? He is the champ and in the best shape of his life..he is scheduled to fight and needed to go out there and do his job. I can't call out of work because my client cancelled on me. I still have to show up and do my job, regardless of what happens to the others around me.

    A champ that doesn't take a fight is scared. He is scared that he is going to lose and that it will look bad. The real p4p champion didn't care about that and wanted to make sure the fans were satisfied since they are the ones who pay to go to the events and are the reason he has a job still. Jones is young and doesn't think about that fact but Silva is a veteran that knows no matter what happens, life goes on and he will defend his title until he dies.
     
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    But not all fans are going to be satisfied with the replacement. He is only required to fight the the fighter he signed to fight. Silva jumping in could have been to save the card or to get a payday.

    Just because he said no doesn't mean he is afraid to fight. I was reading that this guy was running his mouth on Twitter. Some are unhappy about it because they say he talked his way into a fight.

    The UFC should have put another fight together with two other fighters when he turned it down. All of the blame shouldn't be put on just him.

    James
     
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    It isn't his fault only; the UFC has had as tendency to put 1 big fight on a card and that's it. It isn't even about that anymore though. It transcended that issue when a champ from a different weight class stepped up. At that point it was more than just it being Jones' fault; it was about a champ that refused to fight.

    His contract states a lot of things; just like every other fighter that has fought a replacement...you either get in the ring and fight because you are a fighter or you sit on the sidelines and get outclassed, like he did.
     
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    I am not a fan of UFC. I know only one other woman who is. I cannot watch, I can actually feel their pain. I am not a fan of boxing either. Well I do not like violence :D
     
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    The guy ducked an easy fight. Who cares if Sonnen lost(again) to Silva? You have a chance to punch the light out of a known loud mouth. Take your shot, champ!

    Sonnen is great for MMA. He's like the classic Wrestling Villain. The guy is pure gold with a mic. Jones could have been the man to retire Sonnen with one more loss...But he's a punk for saying no.
     
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    There are many ways to look at it. Some feel they shouldn't give someone a fight because someone likes to run their mouth. Anyone can run their mouth. I can go on Twitter right now and mouth off to any fighter on Twitter and do it for months on end. I could do it just to try to get a quick payday.

    I just forgot his name but there was a boxer that would run his mouth at every fight Roy Jones Jr. had. He wanted a fight. From what I remember, Jones didn't feel he deserved a fight against the champ. He did fight him later and beat him over 12 rounds. Won every round on all three cards.

    If Jones took the fight and won, he would be the "man" for saving a card that one man is really carrying. Some fans would be happy. Some fans would not. If Jones beat him in the first minute, a lot of people would be pissed. The guy was hand picked to lose, the fight was fixed.

    There is one thing we know for sure. You can not make everyone happy. I learned that early in life. Jones made his decision. It hurt his reputation. He has to live with that. I'm not saying he should have taken the fight or that he was right in not taking it but in the end it was his decision.

    He is fighting Vitor Belfort in September I believe. I have heard his name before but don't know that much about him. Is this a better fight for fans?

    James
     
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    I don't think anybody would assume the fight was fixed if Sonnen got dropped in the first round. He can hang with some of the top guys(says him), but he makes mistakes. That's why I said Jones could end his career. One more lose, and Sonnen could be out of the UFC. Dana White can't have someone on the roster like that who continues to come up short. Even if he does a great job at hyping a fight, he can't be counted on to finish when it comes time to compete.

    Belfort is going to get slammed though the mat. Jones won't break a sweat. This is speed vs. power. Power is gonna win this fight
     
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    Belfort is very explosive and dynamic with heavy, heavy hands. I think Jones has been overall striking and grappling but Belfort lands one clean shot and you are waking up in the hospital with a broken face. He is also Brazilian and trains with a lot of great BJJ practitioners so he is very comfortable on the ground. If Jones takes him then Belfort could submit him so Jones wants to keep it standing and keep moving. He will need to wear him down with those unconventional strikes and then either KO him or get him in a standing submission like he did with Lyoto Machida.
     
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    I think it's so lame that he decided to duck out of this fight. I mean, the guy who was replacing his opponent was a weight class below. He's a smaller fighter, and Jones still chickens out. I wouldn't pay to see him fight again. Let him lose the title on Spike TV.
     
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    So seeing as the fight is tonight; who does everyone got? The champ or Vitor? And don't forget to place your bets...the admin worked hard on the sportsbook so get out there and give it a shot.

    I think this is a tough one to call...Vitor is explosive and powerful but Jones can match him step for step. I don't think Jones has the one shot power that Vitor does though so it could end up with Vitor taking a beating and dropping Jones while he tries some of that crazy crap he normally throws out there.
     
    Diablo, Sep 22, 2012
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